Keep in mind, we are arguing over a DOG. Also. Im in N. Calif. Near Sacramento. Everyone that meets him, wants him. The Doberman dog is also seen in a fawn color and a blue color which is seen much less often. While he lived to be 9, had I chosen to breed him, and I considered it prior to knowing he was a carrier, I would have done an injustice to the pups and everyone who acquired one. They tried the Bulldogge (the original, not the chunky lil chap with respiratory problems that people are ga-ga over today); Too vicious: tore the poachers to shreds before they could hang them as an example. The White boy is the most wonderful dog weve ever had. it seems like we should not make arguments to support our own particular interest . What would actually be beneficial is if all of the passionate people that felt the need to express their explosive opinions on this article actually got together and tried to make an argument collectively to have the dobermans removed from the aggressive dog lists that affect housing. Although, that book does contradict itself in so many ways I digress. They love you! They are just as loving as any other color. So I was thinking of her as well. I found that message not helpful in the least, being a person just looking for information on a dog I like. Your right about euthanasia. The need is a very specific one in which the temperament of these two types of dog have also caught my attention. For those who say albinos have red eyes, are very misinformed. Back to the people want the unusual, but dont realize how much work comes with it. The population of white tigers is also too small and probably somewhat inbred to realistically test this theory. All of which are not albinoid. I would say its do-able with certain preparation. She has NO health or behavior problems what so ever. Ive had them live to be 15 and some only make it to 4 or 5. Today. Jordan is a great dog but Cleo will always be that One special dog. I believe you have them and you want to get rid of them. It was the antibiotic of choice in a few countries for 2000 years b4 penicillin and then it was all but forgotten about. In the meanwhile we have adopted a 7 month old dobie girl. Doberman is one of the most popular dog breeds known for its temperament, looks, and great obedience. He was almost human in his intelligence, and it was a sneaky intelligence to boot. everyone is taking offense to that why? her eyes are sensitive to the sun and she does seem to have a somewhat sensitive stomach. My mother is disabled as well with mobility issues which I feel the dog is good for as well for her. He had non cropped ears , but we didnt have any problems with it (BTW sometimes my German Shepperd had ears problem). Thanks for yr post. I agree. As far as food for upset stomachs, usually vets recommend something like plain rice and chicken. In the next 15 to 20 years, folks will be bucked off of their high-horses, and the Z designation will be dropped in the AKC registration, and people will be free to love these animals as they should and not revile. One of my customers told me about a documentary on Netflix called Petfooled. Usually, the average cost of purchasing a pet quality puppy from a reputable breeder is about $1,200 to $2,500. So sad I was really looking forward to puppies , You are unselfish. Absolutely I couldnt agree with you more on this Breed for the right reasons not just for the rare colors Dobermans are an exceptional breed when breed right and responsible some breeders breed for the wrong reasons just to get that rare coloring and that couldnt be more wrong and they end up with health conditions research before breeding or as a consumer before you buy . So see miller to make my point your message was not only informationless to me and everyone else, it was also showing how much of a dog lover you are not,If you were you would be giving information on the health issues and such like everyone else. But to everyone that has question about wanting to buy one i just like to say the are special its like having a special child they cant see good in sun light late afternoon best for himand to those that say put them down do you put special children down! Some years ago, I met a doberman who was glossy black with bright yellow where you would normally see the rust color. This is the most popular and most often seen hair color. If you need more information about 23+ Doberman Haversham Dog, you can check the following LINK . Dobies do demand your attention and companionship, but you cant find a more loyal dog anywhere. If not for their health, at least to cut down on all the poor pets that have to be put down every year in shelters. She is the epitome of a velcro dobie; thus, VERY much being a mamas girl! Exercise responsibility instead. Propaganda to scare people from breeding, even owning, a White or Cream Colored Dobe. At the time I took the white because I knew that she would be spayed because Im not in the dog breeding business. And the long haired dachshund at the pet store. I totally agree with Dober mom. Below you can see the traditional black and tan Doberman color alongside a red Doberman. Ok, Is the concept of good breeding practices really so difficult to comprehend? Anyone who wants to be a breeder should want to breed for the betterment, not to make money or get a color thats proven to not be good for the breed! Thanks! Blue Dobermans and fawn Dobermans are both color dilutions. Think I will be posting for advice as soon as we know more. Thank you for all your great comments. A friggin moron would say their eyes are just like ours with normal sun sensitivity, she squints so bad in the sunlight, it looks painful. Orginal and natural skin is brown due to melanin which attracts the sun and creates vitamin d and makes us stronger. I believe this is a huge factor. But as long as you love your own Doberman thats what counts. I had a fantastic black & tan Doberman bitch for thirteen years ! Do NOT watch it with young children!!!! Do your research and stop trying to bad mouth the white dobies. Its common knowledge that these white Dobermans tend to have health problems and behavioral issues. BTW, two large studies on cardio (one in the US and one in Europe) have shown that 60 per cent of dobes suffer from the disorder. The vet treated it for two weeks with no results. Its to sad. It does not necessarily mean that there is anything wrong with the dog itself. And yes he is vicious. All domesticated animals including all dog breeds are a bit of an abomination or reconstruction of natural selection and I feel that we need to be wary of pontificating or judging the significant efforts of those who believe in breeding white Dobermans. I have a male and female black and tan dobermans the female i got frim indiana the male i got from tennessee i just bred them last year and one pup came out white so please explain to me how my white doberman is the product of inbreeding some of you need to realize thats not the only way their made. so its ok to cut boys peniss but dont touch dog ears? Ie, If a black dog has one partial ablbinism gene, it becomes blue. If anyone is a breeder of Dobermans please reply with some info or things i would need to know first!! My daughter breeds dobermans for the better of the breed, she can tell you all you need to know and more of what you want to know. Haha, just like its wrong to have RRB without the ridge, even though those ones tend to be healthier, so pure whites or blacks shouldnt be bred, but either just sold off or put down like the do with the RRBs without the ridge? He has never met a stranger and loves kids. December 11th, 2011 at 6:32 pm If you need more information about 55+ Doberman Haversham Purebred, you can check the following LINK . When we took the bandage off to dress the wound again, it was gone! So beautifully rare. My white Doberman is both death and blind but very sweet. Of course, as is the case with ANY short haired whit dog, there are limitatipns to sun exposure, much the same as with fair-haired humans-They both sunburn easily. An athletic body, sharp ears and high agility, a Doberman Pinscher or Dobermann as it is commonly known is a relatively new breed on the block. He got us to do what he wanted without our even realising it. They are beautiful, rare Dobies. After 2 surgeries to try to give him the best future, the leg didnt grow as long as his other 3! Other than that and some skin issues (common) she is beautiful and healthy. But nobody cares. Nothing wrong with her at all. remember please dont be a moron and breed these dogs ever ! In fact, one of these White Doberman Pinschers is a Police Dog. No its norepriducing Its a pet. Male.. 2. You are right, you do have to be a bit careful with White Dobes getting too much sun. They do have blue eyes and excellent eye sight. Its not fair to the animals first and foremost. Get yourself another color more to your liking. Kongs with peanut butter are great too, but these only last so long. Love your Doberman that was born white but make sure to protect it from the sun, its eyes, skin, etc. Dobermanns where breed from Weimaraners We are so relieved. The mutation producing the albino color only functions at high temperature, hence the hair close to the body (where temps are warm) is albino, and the hair at the cooler extremities (ears, face, tail) reverts to the default color of the cat (usually the classic dark color, but sometimes orange, etc. Other than its color points, which immediately identify this dog as a Doberman, (or a branch of the ancient Rottweiler) the differences are so dramatic that it may need to be classified as a new breed. You have two dog, who has one black allel and one white. The breeding is the culprit of the problems a white may have. Shes beautiful, smart, and a very interesting colour. Get off your high horse hippe! Have a great forever home full of love. Hope you will sell me your dog. Its obviously you dont know a damn thing about the breed do your research get a DNA test stop believing all the crap you see on the internet about white Dobermans none of it is true. Monitor these things, supervise and dedicate time to them as a member of your home. Ya white blue and fawn should never be purposly bred Every since american breeders got there hands on a dobermann they have ruined the breed.. Now we have dilluted colors, whites, everyone of these types are prine to skin issues at the very least. While they may appear striking they have skin problems and are prone to sun burn. Do you know they can get cancer if you dont get them fixed? Both benign. I mean, AKC and purebred dogs are already sick and unhealthy as it is. Porsche had an echocardiogram and her heart murmur was determined to be less than minor. Well be receiving him next week once he turns 8 weeks but Im just worried now thats all the money I just spent on him Im going to spend more because of the possible health issues of him being z factored . Studies have proven that this breed of dog is very unique. its not that they are bad dogs yall need to get off your high horses just understand that as far as breed standard is concerned they are frowned upon I love that they require not coat clipping. He couldnt handle the loss of his pack. I made a broadcast post that we have adopted a 7 month old. I wish people would stop talking trash about them when they have never experienced having one. your arguments are the same bullshit that the DPCA has been touting for years. I just love them. No one has to be put down anymore these days. Im glad we were in the right place to give this sweet, HEALTHY dog a loving home. These dogs were never tracked nor were their litters. Her first visit to the vet we were told she has allergies, she had a double ear infection and two types of worms. More >>, Privacy Policy | Terms of Service | Contact. Health being the most important factor. I have a one gallon automatic waterer. I have Never seen an Albino, they arent deaf, or skittish, or brain damaged, as described by bias people who refuse to look at real proof. Spontaneous albino mutations can potentially occur in any mammal (i.e. what is a doberman haversham. The only issue we have had with her skin is that we have to feed her a grain free salmon based food to increase her Omega intakes. My black & rust male Doberman is wonderful. The fawn Doberman, (sometimes called Isabella color or cinnamon) is a diluted red. The Doberman club of America discourages breeding them and they are disqualified from the show ring. Dogs should look something like a wolf, a dingo, or a fox if they had not been reconfigured by humans. I am sad to know that it is highly likely she will not live as long as some of your dobies. Found a rescue in Enterprise, Alabama that we are currently in touch with. It means they are subject to more possible health problems and should not be used for breeding. Brenda. So if you go by that logic albinos are free since it cant even be showed at competitions. She has had no health problems and we will be breeding her. Brian, The white coloring of a Doberman IS the result of a genetic mutation. Blue lived a very long life..Very healthy dog..Im not sure exactly, what the name of the lotion was. yes the whites are known to have health issues, the blacks seem ok and are rarely found anyway. You know. Your comment is awaiting moderation. Shut your mouth dumbass, if people wanna spend their hard earned money on something they want then let em.who the f**know are u to say anything. That is why most Police departments buy European GSD. They have so many health issues. I have never been owned by a White, but Ive been blessed to know several, very, very well. plus i want to keep him as happy as i can once i get one. i did some research and the original dam did have a white and the male pup (yes male) was breed with sis litter mates to keep getting the white color. Thanks! Then another $1000 for ophthalmologist.. in the end he came out ok with the saved eye. We are in our 60s. While were not actually a rescue we do have rescues in our group who post available dobies and we have people who post their dobies that need to be re homed. Havashires are small dogs that tend to be loyal, playful, and affectionate dogs that love nothing more than being with their favorite humans. Only Shebah. Maybe one of you will actually finish reading this and do some of youre own research. ?She starts her puppy training tonight! Listed as white only because albino is not a color. lol!! She has not health or behavior issues. As far as the akc lots of dogs that ar registered with them now did not start out with them they accept new breeds all the time. Many people crave having cute and adorable healthy pets. This is a difficult question as it is not really possible to tell whether a purebred white tiger has/has not any particular advantage genetically over a normal coloured tiger. It cuts their guts apart when the hydrate! Very few Dobes carry the recessive white, and fewer carry the gene close enough to override and produce. Ive been reading the whole situation about the albino dobermans. Its because of people like you who feel its not worth it to neuter them, therefor they keep reproducing . Can a fawn doberman have a pink nose or do all of them have brown nose? Mutt dogs are said to be the best, but this is not always the case. If you ever get a chance to see a German Bred Doberman, be sure to take a lot of photos and video, then compare it to any Dobe bred in the United States. Very nice info on our most favorite dog dobermansss thanks we are the dog lovers from the midddle east. I have a 3 month old fawn named Duchess. Exactly!! 4. The skin is Red/pink not the eyes. I do agree, I actually own a beautiful WL black german shepherd from east Germany. But I cannot feel anything other than grateful, because I feel as though we have rescued her. But it will be years down the road. There has been NO testing done that would prove or disprove the albino theory. Every time she and I go walking, I get compliments about her colour and how beautiful she is! Their healthy, extremely loved and they are both so attached to me. You, however, do sound very stupid and childish by 1. but breeding them simply for the pleasure of having a show quality dog is Dumb. All of this snobbery over an inbred animal is simply ridiculous. (Unless of course you live on Mars, and I do take that as a serious possibility.) I couldnt read your whole rant cuz I got bored but my blue weighs 140 so your statement that they are small is false. I started to use the term cream in identifying them as well because, lets face it, they are a cream color and not white or albino. She has the dobie markingsjust two different colors of cream. I have had Doberman my entire life black reds blues and fawns and currently have 2 whites and they are AMAZING!! I have had alot of dobermans over the years all colors the color does not make the dog what makes the dog is how you raise it train it love it and socialize them. My fawn does have skin allergies, but we are able to keep it under control, with no hair loss and his coat is shiny. I do Not think it would be right to breed with the specific intentions of producing a litter of beautiful White or Cream color Dober-Babies. Are you still looking for a rescue? All 3 of us. Not sure if it is the novelty of the color that makes people want them and then reality sets in Dobermans are not low maintenance dogs by any stretch. Many years ago I fell in love with the Doberman breed. The most common Doberman hair color is obviously the black and tan, sometimes called black and rust, or black and brown. That means a very shallow gene pool to start out with. New Life kennels in Idaho has the best Dobies youll ever find! Maybe you should be the one doing more research. She is a hand full and always wants too be by your side! Why should we try to start a new color to a breed we ALREADY have, and make the white dobies we have now suffer with genetic/health problems so that MAYBE one day the white dobie gene pool will be dilluted enough so that they only have the same health problems as the other colored dobermans? and there is word that her mother had a albino male ina previous litter that died at a young age that was probably destroyed because he was not a breedable color. I see what is the problem with the white-ish doberman. Im now looking for another Doberman. Second its not fair to the unknowing animal lover out there who ends up with said unhealthy animal. Black and rust . Ive owned nothing but dobermans for 30 years and I have owned and rescused every color, including the z factor whites. But most of them will. And it was stated that they were not the desired color only because they could be seen at night with them being white. Adding to the confusion, the color names also vary around the world, some Europeans call red Dobermans, brown. I have previously had 4dobies and one of them was born deformed. Very nice. I dont think so. I purchased a red puppy whose dad is red and mom is white. You clearly mistook the information in the article that they are sick animals and shouldnt be bred. Just sayin. I hope you found yourself another Doberman love. How is Duke? Educate yourself, you freaking twelve-year-olds. Humans as a species have not been around, in any influential way for very long. I so miss her, no pup will ever replace her in my heart. And? His name was DINO. Cause I promise not everyone loves your children. Health issues are rampant in dobes. The dog should respect who the alpha leader/you decide is allowed into your house or pack. That is why the AKC registers them (albeit with the distinguishable Z designation much in part to the decrying of folks whonm think they are much smarter than they are in the area of all things wise and wonderful). The breeder asked had I ever heard of RMS, nope I said, she said what you explained is Red Male Syndromeshe said many poopoo the term, but she said of all the Dobe breeding theyd done over three or four decades they noticed their Red Males were pretty easy going, a little goofy, not as territorial as most bitches, but when the rubber met the road they would step up and protect. Amen to that. Theyre doing no harm though. We dearly loved all of our girls, their different temperaments and personalities. It is safer to put animals down in a shelter than to risk it 1. What I find truly aweful about this entire string of comments to dates back to July of 2008 is the fact that there is so much venom and passion about the z factor dobies but its all a senseless argument. Possibly started to discourage people from breeding with the intentions of producing Whites. I had one that absolutely refused to use the try the dog door, and when he attempt to bite me, after multiple treats of encouragement, I just thought, the last thing I could have is having my children bitten. The white doberman pinscher was created from inbreeding and are considered partial albino dobermans. This statement does NOT say all PARTIAL albino dobermans are created from inbreeding. nor does state all white dobermans are FULL albino. Any animal created from inbreeding is prone to health issues. Most of all just LOVE your Doberman because they are very sensitive and require being close to their owners/families. This works really well for their skin. When the first white dog occured, they inbreed her strongly. These are family Dobermans. That is most definitely venom and passion. Before you judge white dobermans I would recommend talking to people that have them. 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